1 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:03,139 today on the show strange world with 2 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:10,370 every road leads to that Tower 3 00:00:21,470 --> 00:00:19,130 you have nothing to hide open it up take 4 00:00:22,609 --> 00:00:21,480 a short tour and we'll go home you don't 5 00:00:27,050 --> 00:00:22,619 work at some top-secret government 6 00:00:32,429 --> 00:00:30,030 they were musing the town is part of the 7 00:00:34,210 --> 00:00:32,439 experiments they wanted to split the 8 00:00:39,490 --> 00:00:34,220 bone 9 00:00:44,689 --> 00:00:42,229 there are little birds put in the 10 00:00:50,590 --> 00:00:44,699 government you don't think that's real 11 00:00:53,990 --> 00:00:50,600 diversity of home woman it is very real 12 00:00:56,420 --> 00:00:54,000 my name is Christopher Garrett ah no and 13 00:00:58,299 --> 00:00:56,430 I've spent my whole life exploring the 14 00:01:01,009 --> 00:00:58,309 darkest mysteries on earth 15 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:01,019 following that passion I made a film 16 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:02,730 that helped inspire the hit series 17 00:01:22,910 --> 00:01:07,170 stranger things now I'm digging even 18 00:01:26,070 --> 00:01:22,920 deeper into our strange world this is 19 00:01:47,789 --> 00:01:26,080 somewhere in the skies inspired 20 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:50,260 welcome this somewhere in the skies 21 00:01:56,499 --> 00:01:53,450 I'm your host right spray Chris Garrett 22 00:01:59,800 --> 00:01:56,509 Arno is a filmmaker his award-winning 23 00:02:00,399 --> 00:01:59,810 film Montauk chronicles inspired the hit 24 00:02:03,399 --> 00:02:00,409 show 25 00:02:05,830 --> 00:02:03,409 stranger things Chris has spent a 26 00:02:08,830 --> 00:02:05,840 lifetime searching for the truth behind 27 00:02:11,670 --> 00:02:08,840 some of America's most unusual stories 28 00:02:15,009 --> 00:02:11,680 now he begins of boots-on-the-ground 29 00:02:17,860 --> 00:02:15,019 investigation into the legends mysteries 30 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:17,870 and first-person accounts that fueled 31 00:02:23,350 --> 00:02:20,330 this country's creepiest conspiracy 32 00:02:26,650 --> 00:02:23,360 theories and unexplained occurrences in 33 00:02:28,870 --> 00:02:26,660 our strange world today we talk in depth 34 00:02:31,660 --> 00:02:28,880 about how the show came to be Chris's 35 00:02:34,180 --> 00:02:31,670 further investigation into camp hero and 36 00:02:39,030 --> 00:02:34,190 the Montauk Project and what's to come 37 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:41,470 Chris thank you so much for joining me 38 00:02:45,250 --> 00:02:44,090 today on somewhere in the skies thank 39 00:02:48,069 --> 00:02:45,260 you I appreciate it 40 00:02:49,690 --> 00:02:48,079 yeah we had you on a while ago Matt I 41 00:02:52,479 --> 00:02:49,700 went back into the archives we're 42 00:02:54,789 --> 00:02:52,489 looking at episode 24 of somewhere in 43 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:54,799 the skies and now we're on episode 120 44 00:03:01,180 --> 00:02:57,610 so it has been a fantastic journey man 45 00:03:03,699 --> 00:03:01,190 I'm gonna listener to and I really dig 46 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:03,709 the show and you work really hard and a 47 00:03:09,490 --> 00:03:06,130 lot of you know a lot of a lot of your 48 00:03:10,210 --> 00:03:09,500 presentations are an example of your 49 00:03:11,770 --> 00:03:10,220 hard work 50 00:03:13,990 --> 00:03:11,780 I think that's required when 51 00:03:16,509 --> 00:03:14,000 investigating these subjects you have to 52 00:03:18,130 --> 00:03:16,519 be you have to be diligent I hear a lot 53 00:03:20,289 --> 00:03:18,140 of podcast these days and they seem 54 00:03:21,670 --> 00:03:20,299 quite lackadaisical and it's like you 55 00:03:23,259 --> 00:03:21,680 know you're you're very involved you 56 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:23,269 have character it's style to the show 57 00:03:28,900 --> 00:03:26,329 but much appreciated it to all of us 58 00:03:31,180 --> 00:03:28,910 thank you I mean likewise for you and we 59 00:03:33,099 --> 00:03:31,190 will definitely get to that creative 60 00:03:35,140 --> 00:03:33,109 process when it comes to what you're 61 00:03:37,660 --> 00:03:35,150 working on now we're gonna be mostly 62 00:03:40,090 --> 00:03:37,670 talking about your new television series 63 00:03:42,430 --> 00:03:40,100 strange world premiering on August 11th 64 00:03:45,190 --> 00:03:42,440 on the Travel Channel but before we get 65 00:03:47,759 --> 00:03:45,200 to that man I highly suggest listeners 66 00:03:49,839 --> 00:03:47,769 go back they listen to episode 24 of 67 00:03:52,030 --> 00:03:49,849 somewhere in the skies where we talked 68 00:03:53,699 --> 00:03:52,040 all about camp hero the Montauk Project 69 00:03:56,039 --> 00:03:53,709 the Montauk cronic 70 00:03:58,559 --> 00:03:56,049 and we'll be covering that a little bit 71 00:04:00,630 --> 00:03:58,569 today but that's where I would turn 72 00:04:02,899 --> 00:04:00,640 people to for a crash course on just 73 00:04:05,490 --> 00:04:02,909 exactly what inspired the hit show 74 00:04:07,619 --> 00:04:05,500 stranger things and it's all because of 75 00:04:11,039 --> 00:04:07,629 this man Chris Garrett's on Oh so Chris 76 00:04:13,860 --> 00:04:11,049 how how did strange world come to be can 77 00:04:16,379 --> 00:04:13,870 you give us that origin story I made a 78 00:04:19,140 --> 00:04:16,389 special for History Channel called the 79 00:04:22,499 --> 00:04:19,150 dark Files collaborated with Texas Crew 80 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:22,509 productions on it and it did very well 81 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:25,690 in the ratings and it was about it was a 82 00:04:32,430 --> 00:04:29,250 continue a continued investigation of 83 00:04:34,620 --> 00:04:32,440 the camp hero experiments or the alleged 84 00:04:37,350 --> 00:04:34,630 camper experiments which I explored in 85 00:04:40,350 --> 00:04:37,360 my docudrama Montauk chronicles so in 86 00:04:41,969 --> 00:04:40,360 very in many ways the dark files 87 00:04:45,900 --> 00:04:41,979 especially made for History Channel was 88 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:45,910 a sequel to that and you know it was 89 00:04:50,339 --> 00:04:48,250 never fully intended to become a series 90 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:50,349 but that was talked about at the time 91 00:04:57,270 --> 00:04:54,250 and so I kind of waited around and I I'm 92 00:05:00,810 --> 00:04:57,280 never one to wait around I'm always I 93 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:00,820 you know for me to survive as a soul as 94 00:05:04,890 --> 00:05:02,770 a creative soul I need to work on 95 00:05:08,580 --> 00:05:04,900 something and so I just continued 96 00:05:10,589 --> 00:05:08,590 working on other projects and then I got 97 00:05:12,510 --> 00:05:10,599 a call from my collaborative production 98 00:05:14,129 --> 00:05:12,520 company and they said that travel 99 00:05:17,189 --> 00:05:14,139 channel was interested in working with 100 00:05:19,140 --> 00:05:17,199 me on something and there were a couple 101 00:05:22,140 --> 00:05:19,150 of things thrown my way that were 102 00:05:24,899 --> 00:05:22,150 somewhat tantamount to the dark files 103 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:24,909 but exploring other underground bases 104 00:05:28,710 --> 00:05:27,130 and I my reply was you know I'm grill 105 00:05:31,379 --> 00:05:28,720 I'm not an underground base guy that's 106 00:05:33,629 --> 00:05:31,389 not what I am as a human being and a 107 00:05:35,129 --> 00:05:33,639 soul I explored the Montauk Project 108 00:05:36,719 --> 00:05:35,139 because that was something I was 109 00:05:38,969 --> 00:05:36,729 interested in and I spent so much time 110 00:05:41,219 --> 00:05:38,979 on it because I really became obsessed 111 00:05:43,830 --> 00:05:41,229 with the subject matter and getting it 112 00:05:46,260 --> 00:05:43,840 right as a filmmaker on the movie itself 113 00:05:50,189 --> 00:05:46,270 on the docudrama so I was done with it 114 00:05:53,010 --> 00:05:50,199 after that but you know my even before 115 00:05:55,140 --> 00:05:53,020 my interest in cinema I had an interest 116 00:05:57,749 --> 00:05:55,150 in the mysteries of the unknown I it's 117 00:05:59,189 --> 00:05:57,759 something that I've I've held you know 118 00:06:02,100 --> 00:05:59,199 close to my heart has fueled my 119 00:06:04,350 --> 00:06:02,110 imagination since I was a child so my 120 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:04,360 offer to them was strange world it was 121 00:06:07,350 --> 00:06:05,650 called strange world I put a 122 00:06:10,140 --> 00:06:07,360 presentation together and 123 00:06:12,029 --> 00:06:10,150 several different ways and said this is 124 00:06:14,070 --> 00:06:12,039 my dream project this is what I want to 125 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:14,080 do and I actually woke up out of a a 126 00:06:19,129 --> 00:06:16,930 short nap and just started writing 127 00:06:21,689 --> 00:06:19,139 things down and starting with the title 128 00:06:23,610 --> 00:06:21,699 and the title itself you know it's 129 00:06:26,820 --> 00:06:23,620 perfect for what it is for a series that 130 00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:26,830 is intended to have variety okay not the 131 00:06:33,570 --> 00:06:29,110 same thing every episode to have 132 00:06:35,670 --> 00:06:33,580 longevity to have style to have you know 133 00:06:39,059 --> 00:06:35,680 because this shows of my youth 134 00:06:40,890 --> 00:06:39,069 you know like reruns of in search of of 135 00:06:43,110 --> 00:06:40,900 Leonard Nimoy which is the foundation in 136 00:06:46,709 --> 00:06:43,120 my opinion unsolved mysteries Robert 137 00:06:49,379 --> 00:06:46,719 Stack you know those shows had an 138 00:06:52,529 --> 00:06:49,389 atmosphere to them and it was that same 139 00:06:54,629 --> 00:06:52,539 atmosphere with artwork and a lot of the 140 00:06:59,610 --> 00:06:54,639 mystery books that I read as a kid that 141 00:07:02,070 --> 00:06:59,620 drew me in so my my main purpose in the 142 00:07:03,689 --> 00:07:02,080 beginning was to bring that back because 143 00:07:06,029 --> 00:07:03,699 I think a lot of the shows have lost 144 00:07:07,950 --> 00:07:06,039 that completely it's like the same 145 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:07,960 investigation over and over and over and 146 00:07:13,589 --> 00:07:11,110 over again and I'm not sure why anyone's 147 00:07:15,649 --> 00:07:13,599 interested anymore so I thought maybe we 148 00:07:18,629 --> 00:07:15,659 can bring these things back because it's 149 00:07:21,119 --> 00:07:18,639 the contents very important the depth 150 00:07:23,309 --> 00:07:21,129 and the the the research is very 151 00:07:24,930 --> 00:07:23,319 important but if that's not attached to 152 00:07:26,909 --> 00:07:24,940 some kind of atmosphere because there's 153 00:07:29,159 --> 00:07:26,919 another part of us as human beings that 154 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:29,169 we get stimulated by these things and I 155 00:07:32,399 --> 00:07:30,490 don't think it detracts from how 156 00:07:35,790 --> 00:07:32,409 important the investigation is if you 157 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:35,800 add this atmosphere so that's the basic 158 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:38,289 DNA of strange world so I you know I am 159 00:07:44,070 --> 00:07:41,650 a creator executive producer you know I 160 00:07:45,929 --> 00:07:44,080 it's an hour collaboration and I knew I 161 00:07:49,379 --> 00:07:45,939 was submitting it to a collaboration but 162 00:07:51,450 --> 00:07:49,389 the the the basic DNA of that was always 163 00:07:54,779 --> 00:07:51,460 respected by Texas crew productions and 164 00:07:56,309 --> 00:07:54,789 by travel and this enormous group of 165 00:07:58,409 --> 00:07:56,319 people that made the show as you know 166 00:08:01,320 --> 00:07:58,419 you're working on one yourself it's a 167 00:08:03,450 --> 00:08:01,330 it's a lot of moving parts but somehow 168 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:03,460 it retained that DNA and everybody 169 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:05,050 respected that in the end you know we 170 00:08:08,579 --> 00:08:07,210 had two incredible cinematographers for 171 00:08:11,369 --> 00:08:08,589 the investigative scenes which you don't 172 00:08:14,129 --> 00:08:11,379 normally see Ryan Roode and Nate 173 00:08:15,930 --> 00:08:14,139 Horowitz those guys worked so hard you 174 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:15,940 know I mean obviously they were hired 175 00:08:20,070 --> 00:08:18,130 for a job and they were paid but I was 176 00:08:21,839 --> 00:08:20,080 with them we traveled like family 177 00:08:23,159 --> 00:08:21,849 those guys worked above and beyond 178 00:08:24,719 --> 00:08:23,169 because they knew this show is special 179 00:08:26,460 --> 00:08:24,729 and I think everybody else felt the same 180 00:08:29,730 --> 00:08:26,470 way you know everybody imposed everybody 181 00:08:33,269 --> 00:08:29,740 in production to bring the audience this 182 00:08:35,579 --> 00:08:33,279 this you know unique show something that 183 00:08:39,029 --> 00:08:35,589 had in part hasn't been done before and 184 00:08:41,909 --> 00:08:39,039 in many ways needed to come back and so 185 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:41,919 here's the great test hit airs beginning 186 00:08:45,509 --> 00:08:44,169 next week and if the audience responds 187 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:45,519 to something fresh you know I'm not a 188 00:08:49,949 --> 00:08:47,290 star many people don't even know who the 189 00:08:52,380 --> 00:08:49,959 hell I am and so they're taking a chance 190 00:08:55,230 --> 00:08:52,390 on this unknown guy you know like but I 191 00:08:56,910 --> 00:08:55,240 think sometimes when you find a star to 192 00:08:59,550 --> 00:08:56,920 host your paranormal show you are set 193 00:09:01,740 --> 00:08:59,560 for failure because it won't have 194 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:01,750 longevity and it's just this face you're 195 00:09:06,810 --> 00:09:03,730 trying to sell a product with and in my 196 00:09:08,730 --> 00:09:06,820 case I have a direct personal attachment 197 00:09:10,290 --> 00:09:08,740 to these stories every single story was 198 00:09:11,490 --> 00:09:10,300 picked by me it's something that I've 199 00:09:13,410 --> 00:09:11,500 always been interested in or have a 200 00:09:15,990 --> 00:09:13,420 personal connection to so that's the 201 00:09:18,690 --> 00:09:16,000 beginning of strange will that's amazing 202 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:18,700 man you touched on so many sort of 203 00:09:24,329 --> 00:09:21,570 sensitive topics when it comes to these 204 00:09:26,940 --> 00:09:24,339 phenomena and television entertainment 205 00:09:28,889 --> 00:09:26,950 as it were and you know you're you're 206 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:28,899 right there's so many shows out there 207 00:09:34,769 --> 00:09:32,410 now creeping up about investigative you 208 00:09:37,470 --> 00:09:34,779 know looking into UFOs the paranormal or 209 00:09:39,660 --> 00:09:37,480 mysteries and everything and some of 210 00:09:42,510 --> 00:09:39,670 them you know they last they're great 211 00:09:45,300 --> 00:09:42,520 they're rich but a lot of them like you 212 00:09:48,510 --> 00:09:45,310 said they're just so surface-level and 213 00:09:51,090 --> 00:09:48,520 they're so offensive to the audience in 214 00:09:53,130 --> 00:09:51,100 my opinion maybe it's because I'm so 215 00:09:55,860 --> 00:09:53,140 steeped in this stuff all the time but 216 00:09:57,750 --> 00:09:55,870 even for the mainstream public or the 217 00:10:00,990 --> 00:09:57,760 person who's never really looked into 218 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:01,000 this stuff if they see one more show 219 00:10:09,689 --> 00:10:06,370 about a certain UFO case or you know the 220 00:10:12,510 --> 00:10:09,699 a medieval house it's like oK we've seen 221 00:10:15,090 --> 00:10:12,520 this over and over and over again so I 222 00:10:16,740 --> 00:10:15,100 think you're right seeing something that 223 00:10:19,259 --> 00:10:16,750 you have poured your blood sweat and 224 00:10:22,230 --> 00:10:19,269 tears into with strange world seeing 225 00:10:25,829 --> 00:10:22,240 your style your vision and your 226 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:25,839 interests in cases come to life that's 227 00:10:29,790 --> 00:10:27,910 what we need and that was so obvious 228 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:29,800 when I watched the first episode of your 229 00:10:33,870 --> 00:10:32,529 show which brings us right back to 230 00:10:36,829 --> 00:10:33,880 Montauk with 231 00:10:39,150 --> 00:10:36,839 in episode titled the zombie boys I 232 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:39,160 loved that title but did you make the 233 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:41,769 titles for the episodes I you know I 234 00:10:46,499 --> 00:10:44,410 picked all the subjects but there are a 235 00:10:49,290 --> 00:10:46,509 lot of creative people that joined in on 236 00:10:52,199 --> 00:10:49,300 this thing and so there were several 237 00:10:53,699 --> 00:10:52,209 titles before we ended up with zombie 238 00:10:55,499 --> 00:10:53,709 boys which I liked - I think it's really 239 00:10:57,180 --> 00:10:55,509 cool but I did not pick that title okay 240 00:11:00,420 --> 00:10:57,190 okay yeah it could be a punk band I 241 00:11:00,780 --> 00:11:00,430 think - for sure it would be a cool punk 242 00:11:03,930 --> 00:11:00,790 band 243 00:11:07,079 --> 00:11:03,940 yeah so okay so we were returning to 244 00:11:08,639 --> 00:11:07,089 Montauk in the first episode and we 245 00:11:10,889 --> 00:11:08,649 don't want to give away too much before 246 00:11:13,499 --> 00:11:10,899 the show premieres but there are some 247 00:11:15,660 --> 00:11:13,509 really good new things that you 248 00:11:17,759 --> 00:11:15,670 discovered with this episode you know we 249 00:11:19,949 --> 00:11:17,769 had the dark files we had Montauk 250 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:19,959 chronicles but a lot of the new stuff 251 00:11:24,389 --> 00:11:22,569 came in the form of Brian Minich and 252 00:11:26,610 --> 00:11:24,399 this is what I found really interesting 253 00:11:28,079 --> 00:11:26,620 with their episodes so I guess without 254 00:11:31,230 --> 00:11:28,089 giving too much away 255 00:11:34,079 --> 00:11:31,240 who is Brian minik what did he bring to 256 00:11:36,930 --> 00:11:34,089 your investigation into Montauk sure 257 00:11:39,269 --> 00:11:36,940 Brian was always a great contributor the 258 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:39,279 last couple of things we did so he was 259 00:11:46,050 --> 00:11:41,170 he was with us in the dark files and and 260 00:11:49,620 --> 00:11:46,060 I think I see I I was always aware of an 261 00:11:51,929 --> 00:11:49,630 underground a camp hero and an official 262 00:11:53,999 --> 00:11:51,939 underground one that I you know I don't 263 00:11:56,009 --> 00:11:54,009 think is any great mystery there was 264 00:11:56,879 --> 00:11:56,019 definitely some kind of access tunnel 265 00:11:59,040 --> 00:11:56,889 system 266 00:12:00,660 --> 00:11:59,050 there were maintenance tunnels you know 267 00:12:05,129 --> 00:12:00,670 like this stuff doesn't spark the 268 00:12:06,660 --> 00:12:05,139 imagination or a or point in any kind of 269 00:12:09,569 --> 00:12:06,670 way to a conspiracy 270 00:12:12,540 --> 00:12:09,579 what does and here's the most I think 271 00:12:16,530 --> 00:12:12,550 this is the Jim and Brian's collection 272 00:12:18,809 --> 00:12:16,540 as the evidence of a structure that was 273 00:12:19,889 --> 00:12:18,819 completely obliterated and is no longer 274 00:12:21,689 --> 00:12:19,899 there anymore 275 00:12:25,170 --> 00:12:21,699 and Brian seems to have the only 276 00:12:27,269 --> 00:12:25,180 evidence of that and it is evidence that 277 00:12:30,870 --> 00:12:27,279 there was a structure there was a it was 278 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:30,880 a small house and on the interior of the 279 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:35,050 house there were several rooms that were 280 00:12:41,129 --> 00:12:36,970 all professionally painted a different 281 00:12:45,030 --> 00:12:41,139 elaborate pattern one of which is let's 282 00:12:47,069 --> 00:12:45,040 say these large black and white bars 283 00:12:47,790 --> 00:12:47,079 next to each other then there's all 284 00:12:49,620 --> 00:12:47,800 these different 285 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:49,630 patterns on the walls then there's 286 00:12:53,730 --> 00:12:51,850 another one that has these weird kind of 287 00:12:56,250 --> 00:12:53,740 spray-painted patterns but they were 288 00:12:58,949 --> 00:12:56,260 professionally painted you know they 289 00:13:01,019 --> 00:12:58,959 were they were marked off you know the 290 00:13:03,690 --> 00:13:01,029 the the electrical sockets were taped 291 00:13:06,030 --> 00:13:03,700 off this is something that kids didn't 292 00:13:08,639 --> 00:13:06,040 do and it's in line we checked with 293 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:08,649 professionals that have participated in 294 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:11,290 drug experiments before and it's in line 295 00:13:16,380 --> 00:13:14,050 with those things and so I think that's 296 00:13:19,110 --> 00:13:16,390 a considerable piece of evidence even 297 00:13:21,329 --> 00:13:19,120 barry eisler you know who's ex-cia said 298 00:13:23,340 --> 00:13:21,339 this is really curious even Steve bulk 299 00:13:26,220 --> 00:13:23,350 is a super skeptic from the Washington 300 00:13:27,870 --> 00:13:26,230 Post you know he said and agreed we all 301 00:13:30,780 --> 00:13:27,880 agreed that this stuff that Brian 302 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:30,790 brought forward was really crucial if 303 00:13:34,139 --> 00:13:32,890 anyone was gonna do an investigation of 304 00:13:36,210 --> 00:13:34,149 course the second part of that was 305 00:13:37,710 --> 00:13:36,220 achieved in the dark files was the 306 00:13:40,590 --> 00:13:37,720 geophysicists that came down and 307 00:13:42,900 --> 00:13:40,600 measured you know beneath the ground 308 00:13:46,380 --> 00:13:42,910 with electric resistivity imagery and 309 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:46,390 found an enormous man-made structure 310 00:13:50,910 --> 00:13:48,910 that contained iron ore that proves that 311 00:13:52,319 --> 00:13:50,920 there's something and you know there's 312 00:13:53,370 --> 00:13:52,329 something under the ground that's not 313 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:53,380 supposed to be there these weren't 314 00:13:58,410 --> 00:13:55,810 accessed tunnels by the way so I feel 315 00:14:00,690 --> 00:13:58,420 like we found between the two specials 316 00:14:02,370 --> 00:14:00,700 you know my Montauk chronicles was more 317 00:14:04,650 --> 00:14:02,380 like a meditation on the story and the 318 00:14:06,540 --> 00:14:04,660 ideas and I allowed these elderly men to 319 00:14:08,340 --> 00:14:06,550 tell their tale right and I never really 320 00:14:10,620 --> 00:14:08,350 told the audience with the thing in the 321 00:14:12,210 --> 00:14:10,630 case of the dark files and in the first 322 00:14:14,660 --> 00:14:12,220 episode of strange world their 323 00:14:18,420 --> 00:14:14,670 investigations and we did find things 324 00:14:21,329 --> 00:14:18,430 and it was also a way to as you know to 325 00:14:25,220 --> 00:14:21,339 segue over into something that was more 326 00:14:28,620 --> 00:14:25,230 tangible and that was confirmed by an 327 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:28,630 official Institute which was the the 328 00:14:33,150 --> 00:14:31,570 research of Michael Persinger which is 329 00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:33,160 very similar to the things that Preston 330 00:14:36,300 --> 00:14:34,480 Nichols described that were being used 331 00:14:38,579 --> 00:14:36,310 in these mind-control programs so I 332 00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:38,589 think all of this stuff collectively is 333 00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:40,320 the best evidence that anyone's ever 334 00:14:46,530 --> 00:14:44,560 found to date on on the Montauk Project 335 00:14:49,949 --> 00:14:46,540 on the alleged Montauk Project you know 336 00:14:52,769 --> 00:14:49,959 I know the Nichols passed away last 337 00:14:55,259 --> 00:14:52,779 summer Duncan Cameron passed away a few 338 00:14:56,910 --> 00:14:55,269 months ago and I really think that was 339 00:14:59,670 --> 00:14:56,920 the end of anybody that may have had 340 00:15:01,019 --> 00:14:59,680 something legit to offer in terms of 341 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:01,029 evidence of this project you know 342 00:15:03,130 --> 00:15:01,610 there's something 343 00:15:04,900 --> 00:15:03,140 a lot there they claim they were there I 344 00:15:06,190 --> 00:15:04,910 don't believe it you know I think some 345 00:15:08,350 --> 00:15:06,200 people just like to say they were there 346 00:15:10,420 --> 00:15:08,360 just like you know some gentleman you 347 00:15:12,460 --> 00:15:10,430 know wrote books about their experiences 348 00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:12,470 Vietnam and we find out later that they 349 00:15:17,170 --> 00:15:15,440 were never in the war I that happens a 350 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:17,180 lot in the in the UFO field in ufology 351 00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:19,970 you know like people just lie but it 352 00:15:23,500 --> 00:15:21,920 doesn't mean that the subject is not 353 00:15:25,210 --> 00:15:23,510 true it just means there are a lot of 354 00:15:27,460 --> 00:15:25,220 Liars out there for whatever reason 355 00:15:30,579 --> 00:15:27,470 right it's sort of sifting through and 356 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:30,589 filtering out the you know the people 357 00:15:35,410 --> 00:15:32,930 who can't stand the test of time when it 358 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:35,420 comes to evidence proof or you know 359 00:15:40,389 --> 00:15:38,050 validity I mean there was a really 360 00:15:42,850 --> 00:15:40,399 controversial part in this first episode 361 00:15:45,490 --> 00:15:42,860 of you speaking to one of the former 362 00:15:48,940 --> 00:15:45,500 Montauk boys what was that experience 363 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:48,950 like okay and and I and once before I 364 00:15:52,540 --> 00:15:50,930 spoke to a gentleman who uses an alias 365 00:15:54,370 --> 00:15:52,550 called James Bruce and I felt he was 366 00:15:57,550 --> 00:15:54,380 very legit you know here's the thing 367 00:16:00,030 --> 00:15:57,560 Ryan like all anyone that claims they 368 00:16:02,949 --> 00:16:00,040 were a Montauk boy is now whether if 369 00:16:04,389 --> 00:16:02,959 officially articulating or not they have 370 00:16:07,060 --> 00:16:04,399 to say that they went through great 371 00:16:08,319 --> 00:16:07,070 trauma and if you've met people who've 372 00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:08,329 gone through great trauma who were 373 00:16:14,259 --> 00:16:11,600 abused who were you know horribly 374 00:16:16,689 --> 00:16:14,269 addicted to drugs you know had them in a 375 00:16:19,180 --> 00:16:16,699 stranglehold things like that like they 376 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:19,190 are somewhat jaded in the end even if 377 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:20,570 they come out of it if they come out of 378 00:16:24,759 --> 00:16:22,370 it that they're they're left with scars 379 00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:24,769 you can see them and so I've met several 380 00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:26,329 people along the way you claim they're a 381 00:16:30,759 --> 00:16:28,160 Montauk boys and they seem just fine to 382 00:16:35,199 --> 00:16:30,769 me they seem to relax too happy to 383 00:16:38,290 --> 00:16:35,209 unscathed and in the case of James Bruce 384 00:16:40,630 --> 00:16:38,300 he was he's a scarred guy you know like 385 00:16:43,090 --> 00:16:40,640 he really is somebody who I believe went 386 00:16:46,810 --> 00:16:43,100 through some kind of trauma the 387 00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:46,820 gentleman that spoke to us for strange 388 00:16:54,819 --> 00:16:50,240 world you know he he has some things to 389 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:54,829 lose he has a job to lose he has a 390 00:17:00,250 --> 00:16:57,110 reputation to lose to come on television 391 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:00,260 and say that you know he was part of a 392 00:17:03,670 --> 00:17:01,970 latter experiment that happened with 393 00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:03,680 Preston Nichols there were a lot of 394 00:17:08,350 --> 00:17:05,360 questions that will arise and he seemed 395 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:08,360 genuinely uncomfortable about it and 396 00:17:11,230 --> 00:17:10,010 reluctant to talk about some details 397 00:17:12,429 --> 00:17:11,240 because if you really look into the 398 00:17:14,649 --> 00:17:12,439 Montauk Project there's some really 399 00:17:17,979 --> 00:17:14,659 horrific things that everybody 400 00:17:19,479 --> 00:17:17,989 claims happened it was absent from the 401 00:17:21,639 --> 00:17:19,489 that first book that came out and that's 402 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:21,649 really why I explored it for Vermont I 403 00:17:24,729 --> 00:17:23,329 chronicles and Beyond because I think a 404 00:17:27,579 --> 00:17:24,739 lot of people were afraid to talk about 405 00:17:29,349 --> 00:17:27,589 these things that may have happened yeah 406 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:29,359 he was in he was he was an interesting 407 00:17:33,489 --> 00:17:31,570 guy he claimed that he was part of 408 00:17:35,830 --> 00:17:33,499 experiments that happened later with 409 00:17:39,279 --> 00:17:35,840 Preston Nichols that he has these kind 410 00:17:41,289 --> 00:17:39,289 of fun dreamlike memories that all that 411 00:17:43,539 --> 00:17:41,299 there are in line with a lot of things 412 00:17:46,419 --> 00:17:43,549 that everyone else who claimed they were 413 00:17:50,049 --> 00:17:46,429 part of it said happened and do I 414 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:50,059 believe the man you know I I start by 415 00:17:55,210 --> 00:17:51,769 questioning well what is the motivation 416 00:17:57,729 --> 00:17:55,220 unless it cannot be just for a moment to 417 00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:57,739 be on television in this man's case if 418 00:18:02,289 --> 00:18:00,320 he was really profiting off of it I 419 00:18:04,299 --> 00:18:02,299 think if he was writing many books about 420 00:18:07,210 --> 00:18:04,309 it and kind of very comfortable in his 421 00:18:09,940 --> 00:18:07,220 shoes and smiling during interviews 422 00:18:12,279 --> 00:18:09,950 about these things I just feel like when 423 00:18:13,269 --> 00:18:12,289 you're traumatized you're timid what 424 00:18:15,849 --> 00:18:13,279 you're you're afraid to talk about 425 00:18:18,009 --> 00:18:15,859 something you you're emotional about it 426 00:18:20,139 --> 00:18:18,019 you know if you have that built-in 427 00:18:22,089 --> 00:18:20,149 lie-detector and a lot of us do you can 428 00:18:24,639 --> 00:18:22,099 really look through any kind of 429 00:18:27,430 --> 00:18:24,649 presentation and see some truth in there 430 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:27,440 and so I I saw that also in this 431 00:18:31,690 --> 00:18:29,450 gentleman - I didn't he wasn't as as 432 00:18:33,249 --> 00:18:31,700 jaded as the jet as the gentleman who I 433 00:18:37,419 --> 00:18:33,259 met previous who I felt was the most 434 00:18:39,249 --> 00:18:37,429 legit example of Montauk boy but I felt 435 00:18:41,619 --> 00:18:39,259 there was something legit about him as 436 00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:41,629 well because I really weigh the 437 00:18:46,779 --> 00:18:44,960 consequences of what you know he might 438 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:46,789 have to pay in the end of telling this 439 00:18:50,409 --> 00:18:48,769 tale some people don't care they they're 440 00:18:52,269 --> 00:18:50,419 they're comfortable being liars but this 441 00:18:53,889 --> 00:18:52,279 gentleman didn't strike me as that I'd 442 00:18:57,070 --> 00:18:53,899 have to agree with you he came across 443 00:18:59,409 --> 00:18:57,080 very genuine and I run across this in 444 00:19:02,049 --> 00:18:59,419 the UFO field as well a lot to criticize 445 00:19:04,210 --> 00:19:02,059 this this idea that these people coming 446 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:04,220 forward claiming you know either close 447 00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:07,129 encounters or quote-unquote abduction 448 00:19:11,409 --> 00:19:09,679 experiences a lot of them have 449 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:11,419 absolutely nothing to gain from this 450 00:19:18,849 --> 00:19:14,690 they've only lost you know friends and 451 00:19:20,889 --> 00:19:18,859 jobs and it's those people I think it's 452 00:19:23,109 --> 00:19:20,899 one thing to read it in a book or see it 453 00:19:25,509 --> 00:19:23,119 on a documentary but when you meet these 454 00:19:28,140 --> 00:19:25,519 people like you have face to face and 455 00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:28,150 you see their mannerisms and 456 00:19:33,390 --> 00:19:31,180 how they react you know those very human 457 00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:33,400 elements when they're recalling these 458 00:19:39,030 --> 00:19:36,640 things that's when you can really sort 459 00:19:41,610 --> 00:19:39,040 of cut to the core of both the story and 460 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:41,620 if they're telling the truth or not like 461 00:19:46,110 --> 00:19:43,810 nowhere neither of us are human lie 462 00:19:48,110 --> 00:19:46,120 detector tests but at the end of the day 463 00:19:51,060 --> 00:19:48,120 looking these people in the eyes and 464 00:19:53,820 --> 00:19:51,070 hearing them talk about this and know 465 00:19:56,430 --> 00:19:53,830 what they have to lose sometimes that's 466 00:19:59,910 --> 00:19:56,440 all we can really rely on that's what we 467 00:20:03,180 --> 00:19:59,920 have you know in this case and and we 468 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:03,190 have that and we coupled with I feel 469 00:20:08,850 --> 00:20:06,850 true evidence you know like it's hard to 470 00:20:11,490 --> 00:20:08,860 achieve evidence and then we have the 471 00:20:13,890 --> 00:20:11,500 associative situations like Holmesburg 472 00:20:16,770 --> 00:20:13,900 prison MKULTRA things they were able to 473 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:16,780 prove that were very similar and 474 00:20:21,930 --> 00:20:18,850 happened around somewhat around the same 475 00:20:24,060 --> 00:20:21,940 time so if you can look back at those 476 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:24,070 things and collect all of this stuff and 477 00:20:28,590 --> 00:20:26,290 lay it out it seems to me that at the 478 00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:28,600 very least something happened at Camp 479 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:31,120 hero and like you had mentioned a few 480 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:32,890 moments ago in strange world you'll see 481 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:36,010 some resistance by officials over there 482 00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,410 which I did an episode of ancient aliens 483 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:40,480 previous to this and it was supposed to 484 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:44,050 be a much larger investigation and they 485 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:45,490 didn't grant the permits the ancient 486 00:20:50,130 --> 00:20:47,530 aliens they they they kind of just 487 00:20:52,380 --> 00:20:50,140 disappeared on us and they did grant the 488 00:20:56,220 --> 00:20:52,390 permits for the dark files and for 489 00:20:58,590 --> 00:20:56,230 strange world but the same gentleman who 490 00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:58,600 granted those permits put up a big 491 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:01,360 resistance to any equipment being 492 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:04,330 brought past the gate and so we asked 493 00:21:10,140 --> 00:21:06,850 well what is the reason the reason is 494 00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:10,150 it's too dangerous dangerous why falling 495 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:13,510 debris okay you have more than four 496 00:21:17,340 --> 00:21:15,490 hundred yards away this tower there is 497 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:17,350 not a chance in he falling debris from 498 00:21:22,830 --> 00:21:20,050 that towers gonna hit anybody even 50 499 00:21:25,710 --> 00:21:22,840 you know to a hundred feet into the past 500 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:25,720 the gate towards this large sage radar 501 00:21:30,030 --> 00:21:28,090 tower and so none of that makes any 502 00:21:31,740 --> 00:21:30,040 sense and then there was a day in the 503 00:21:34,260 --> 00:21:31,750 winter time for the dark files that we 504 00:21:36,810 --> 00:21:34,270 were there where all of a sudden after 505 00:21:38,730 --> 00:21:36,820 13 years the US Army Corps of Engineers 506 00:21:41,820 --> 00:21:38,740 is doing this enormous operation to keep 507 00:21:44,550 --> 00:21:41,830 us out it's here here is 508 00:21:46,140 --> 00:21:44,560 the bottom line there if you have any 509 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:46,150 kind of geophysical equipment that can 510 00:21:49,620 --> 00:21:47,650 see underneath the ground if you're 511 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:49,630 doing any kind of serious investigation 512 00:21:53,250 --> 00:21:51,820 there will be a resistance you will not 513 00:21:55,860 --> 00:21:53,260 be able to bring that equipment over 514 00:21:57,870 --> 00:21:55,870 there and you will not be able to check 515 00:21:59,310 --> 00:21:57,880 because they are hiding something what 516 00:22:01,260 --> 00:21:59,320 they're hiding is and this is what I 517 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:01,270 could say you know I can't say okay 518 00:22:06,270 --> 00:22:03,490 they're hiding an alien ship they're 519 00:22:09,030 --> 00:22:06,280 hiding you know dead bodies which even 520 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:09,040 you know the geophysicist science found 521 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:10,890 some evidence that might support that 522 00:22:15,930 --> 00:22:13,450 yeah that definitely let's just say 523 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:15,940 definitely some kind of gravesite okay 524 00:22:20,940 --> 00:22:19,210 but what they what is being hidden is an 525 00:22:26,460 --> 00:22:20,950 enormous structure underneath the ground 526 00:22:29,490 --> 00:22:26,470 that would inspire many questions that 527 00:22:31,260 --> 00:22:29,500 they would not be able to answer because 528 00:22:32,850 --> 00:22:31,270 then we'd have to look further and say 529 00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:32,860 okay well you said there was no base 530 00:22:36,270 --> 00:22:34,630 here there's a face so if there's a 531 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:36,280 giant face maybe there really were 532 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:37,930 experiments and most likely there were 533 00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:40,930 so yeah I believe there's a bigger 534 00:22:44,250 --> 00:22:42,640 structure underneath the ground and I 535 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:44,260 believe it's being protected 536 00:22:48,060 --> 00:22:46,510 that's up to whoever's going to continue 537 00:22:51,540 --> 00:22:48,070 this investigation because I I'm 538 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:51,550 personally done with it yeah yeah well I 539 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:54,970 mean I understand I understand why Chris 540 00:22:59,610 --> 00:22:57,490 because I mean this is this has been a 541 00:23:03,060 --> 00:22:59,620 lifelong pursuit for you this this case 542 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:03,070 this entire Montauk thing and I think 543 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:05,290 what was really interesting sort of to 544 00:23:12,690 --> 00:23:08,410 wrap up the zombie boys part of this 545 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:12,700 episode is you're putting yourself with 546 00:23:17,670 --> 00:23:15,970 strange world right smack dab in the 547 00:23:20,430 --> 00:23:17,680 middle of this stuff when it comes to 548 00:23:22,380 --> 00:23:20,440 the technology that may have been used 549 00:23:24,930 --> 00:23:22,390 in some of these these things are 550 00:23:26,450 --> 00:23:24,940 covering so for Montauk for example you 551 00:23:29,220 --> 00:23:26,460 know pressing Nichols said that 552 00:23:31,470 --> 00:23:29,230 electromagnetic energy was used to 553 00:23:34,530 --> 00:23:31,480 affect the minds of the Montauk boys and 554 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:34,540 what did you do you uncovered a very 555 00:23:41,550 --> 00:23:37,210 interesting thing called the god helmet 556 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:41,560 and you put yourself right I guess in 557 00:23:45,330 --> 00:23:43,810 the shoes and in the helmet of what 558 00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:45,340 these Montauk points might have gone 559 00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:47,110 through so could you maybe sort of 560 00:23:51,060 --> 00:23:48,640 wrapping up this part of Icarus tell us 561 00:23:54,540 --> 00:23:51,070 a little about what that experience was 562 00:23:55,650 --> 00:23:54,550 like of course so the idea was to 563 00:23:57,810 --> 00:23:55,660 revisit Mont 564 00:24:00,600 --> 00:23:57,820 to let the audience know who I was and 565 00:24:05,310 --> 00:24:00,610 what I did for many years and and that 566 00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:05,320 was a way to segue the audience into the 567 00:24:09,540 --> 00:24:07,120 journey of strange world which is you 568 00:24:11,790 --> 00:24:09,550 know eight one-hour episodes into the 569 00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:11,800 unknown and every topic is different 570 00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:16,960 so the the later chapter in Episode one 571 00:24:22,860 --> 00:24:20,260 is bringing us to something that is is 572 00:24:25,620 --> 00:24:22,870 very similar to the experiments that 573 00:24:28,530 --> 00:24:25,630 Preston Nichols claimed were used at 574 00:24:30,660 --> 00:24:28,540 Montauk but this is a legit experiment 575 00:24:32,730 --> 00:24:30,670 and that it was used at a university and 576 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:32,740 developed at a university by a scientist 577 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:33,970 named Michael Persinger 578 00:24:41,340 --> 00:24:36,850 I originally read about Persinger in a 579 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:41,350 book called spook by Mary Roach and she 580 00:24:48,510 --> 00:24:44,410 took part in an experiment at Laurent in 581 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:48,520 University in Canada and Persinger 582 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:51,730 designed several things one was called 583 00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:54,130 the hotbox and hit what was so 584 00:24:58,650 --> 00:24:56,110 interesting to me was the conclusion of 585 00:25:01,080 --> 00:24:58,660 this conversation was that Mary Roach 586 00:25:04,050 --> 00:25:01,090 went in the haunt box the hunt box was 587 00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:04,060 supposed to bombard it was it was an 588 00:25:09,870 --> 00:25:08,320 airtight sealed environment were about 589 00:25:12,150 --> 00:25:09,880 the size of a freight elevator where 590 00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:12,160 someone would sit and the subject would 591 00:25:18,330 --> 00:25:13,600 sit and they would be bombarded with 592 00:25:21,570 --> 00:25:18,340 these heavy electromagnetic waves and it 593 00:25:23,070 --> 00:25:21,580 was supposed to simulate a haunting you 594 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:23,080 were supposed to hear things perhaps see 595 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:24,970 apparitions subjects had seen things 596 00:25:29,460 --> 00:25:27,010 inside the haunt box this is a real you 597 00:25:31,860 --> 00:25:29,470 know experimenter University and they 598 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:31,870 had results in person to believe that 599 00:25:36,510 --> 00:25:34,690 perhaps hauntings and maybe even the UFO 600 00:25:40,140 --> 00:25:36,520 abductions in people's sleep were caused 601 00:25:42,690 --> 00:25:40,150 by disturbances in electromagnetic 602 00:25:44,550 --> 00:25:42,700 fields and geomagnetic fields okay so 603 00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:44,560 when Mary Roach did experience some 604 00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:46,870 audible hallucinations she said to him 605 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:48,790 at the end just a question because her 606 00:25:53,660 --> 00:25:50,770 book was a contemplations on the 607 00:25:57,180 --> 00:25:53,670 afterlife and other things beyond so she 608 00:26:01,020 --> 00:25:57,190 asked Persinger who unfortunately passed 609 00:26:02,340 --> 00:26:01,030 away last summer he she asked him or 610 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:02,350 actually around the same time as 611 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:04,690 president Nichols Persinger died she 612 00:26:09,390 --> 00:26:07,930 asked Michael Persinger well do you 613 00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:09,400 think it's just some kind of 614 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:11,350 you know effect on the mind a 615 00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:13,930 stimulation or are these geomagnetic 616 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:16,150 fields actually opening up doorways to 617 00:26:21,690 --> 00:26:18,610 other dimensions you know to achieve the 618 00:26:23,310 --> 00:26:21,700 grant and achieve the money why not say 619 00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:23,320 well this is just causing a 620 00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:24,400 hallucination or whatever and I don't 621 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:25,960 mean to offend any of the scientists 622 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:27,610 that continue his work or anybody to 623 00:26:34,620 --> 00:26:29,770 develop this it is true science you know 624 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:34,630 but could it be that we are stimulating 625 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:35,890 another environment you know HP 626 00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:37,330 Lovecraft wrote about this many years 627 00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:38,740 ago so many different science fiction 628 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:41,470 writers wrote about this you know is it 629 00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:45,730 possible that these fields that are 630 00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:47,190 bombarding the brain are actually 631 00:26:55,710 --> 00:26:51,520 heightening psychic abilities and so a 632 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:55,720 gentleman named Todd Murphy who created 633 00:26:59,670 --> 00:26:57,610 another version of what Persinger 634 00:27:02,550 --> 00:26:59,680 designed and approved of because it was 635 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:02,560 a colleague of person Jers helped design 636 00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:04,810 the god helmet this was another version 637 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:07,600 of what Michael Persinger invented and 638 00:27:14,190 --> 00:27:11,530 so the god helmet is also very similar 639 00:27:15,870 --> 00:27:14,200 to the technology that almost tantamount 640 00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:15,880 to the technology that preston nichols 641 00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:18,310 described in all the years talking about 642 00:27:23,970 --> 00:27:20,820 the Montauk Project that this heavy 643 00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:23,980 electromagnetic energy was used to help 644 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:26,230 heighten psychic abilities was helped 645 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:28,930 even at times to fracture the mind so I 646 00:27:38,220 --> 00:27:34,570 was encouraged to take part in a Montauk 647 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:38,230 type / Michael Persinger Todd Murphy 648 00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:41,770 experiment at the end of this episode 649 00:27:48,150 --> 00:27:44,500 and I did and I have and I'm not making 650 00:27:52,740 --> 00:27:48,160 this up I have had effects residuals 651 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:52,750 ever since really yes Wow so you can 652 00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,170 attest that this this technology does 653 00:28:01,530 --> 00:27:58,960 leave a lasting effect on would you say 654 00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:01,540 your memory or just your senses or 655 00:28:07,260 --> 00:28:04,510 everything in between my all right so 656 00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:07,270 the results that I had on it began with 657 00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:07,960 an enormous 658 00:28:12,660 --> 00:28:10,240 well I you'll you'll hear me describe 659 00:28:15,380 --> 00:28:12,670 what my initial experience is in the 660 00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:15,390 episode and that's what it was but 661 00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:18,790 afterward and to this day well 662 00:28:22,290 --> 00:28:20,710 immediately afterward I had a massive 663 00:28:25,290 --> 00:28:22,300 headache that lasted maybe 664 00:28:26,850 --> 00:28:25,300 you know two hours or whatever maybe 665 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:26,860 because I had some caffeine that I 666 00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:27,850 wasn't supposed to have or whatever 667 00:28:34,050 --> 00:28:31,480 during the experiment but I I wasn't 668 00:28:36,420 --> 00:28:34,060 expecting that that wasn't Pleasant so I 669 00:28:37,890 --> 00:28:36,430 don't recommend it unless you really go 670 00:28:39,570 --> 00:28:37,900 through the literature and even consult 671 00:28:42,330 --> 00:28:39,580 with Todd Murphy before you use this 672 00:28:44,370 --> 00:28:42,340 thing I've done two sessions of this one 673 00:28:46,020 --> 00:28:44,380 off-camera and one on one off-camera to 674 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:46,030 prepare for the one that was on camera 675 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:47,890 don't because I wanted to do it right 676 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:49,210 and I really wanted to experience 677 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:51,010 something so yeah you know like we have 678 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:53,770 a technique that was designed by all of 679 00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:58,210 us collectively that that Ryan Rudin 680 00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,440 Nate Horowitz executed as 681 00:29:04,350 --> 00:29:01,840 cinematographers that you'll see in the 682 00:29:07,170 --> 00:29:04,360 show that that yes we you know these are 683 00:29:09,810 --> 00:29:07,180 legitimately shot the way you see it but 684 00:29:11,910 --> 00:29:09,820 then they would come in and get coverage 685 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:11,920 immediately after the moment happens so 686 00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,210 you would have this beautiful coverage 687 00:29:17,820 --> 00:29:16,000 of the moment as well and so that would 688 00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,830 help be more expressive and that was our 689 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:19,600 goal and all of this so you'll see these 690 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:21,610 scenes are very expressive because they 691 00:29:24,570 --> 00:29:23,170 are but they're not staged you know 692 00:29:26,130 --> 00:29:24,580 they're they're a mixture of something 693 00:29:28,530 --> 00:29:26,140 that happened right there in real time 694 00:29:31,170 --> 00:29:28,540 and then immediately after so we could 695 00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:31,180 get that coverage and really establish 696 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:32,710 that atmosphere so I just wanted to say 697 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:35,290 that and I also done in post because 698 00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,730 that was our goal to kind of bring that 699 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:38,320 atmosphere to you and not just have 700 00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:41,290 stagnant shots or iPhone shots of what 701 00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:43,900 was happening right right I mean you 702 00:29:48,570 --> 00:29:46,480 know whatever you're experiencing inside 703 00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:48,580 your head you know we will never truly 704 00:29:54,150 --> 00:29:51,430 know but to sort of bring it to life for 705 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:54,160 an audience watching you I completely 706 00:29:58,260 --> 00:29:55,690 understand why that would be so 707 00:30:00,330 --> 00:29:58,270 important sure sure and and what I 708 00:30:04,020 --> 00:30:00,340 described was exactly what I felt now 709 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:04,030 since then I've had these moments where 710 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:07,210 I have these kind of micro nap moments 711 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:09,010 like if I'm tired I'm not off 712 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:13,210 immediately be in a dream state and I'll 713 00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:15,610 start to have these profound visions in 714 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:17,260 my dreams like I have very vivid dreams 715 00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,050 anyway but since using the gown that I'm 716 00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:22,480 telling you that I've never experienced 717 00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:25,630 this before and it hasn't stopped really 718 00:30:30,090 --> 00:30:28,270 you know and I'm not I you know I 719 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:30,100 actually have the god helmet here with 720 00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:32,890 me and I have not used it the guys at 721 00:30:36,060 --> 00:30:35,110 the collaborative production company of 722 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:36,070 jokes that you know 723 00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:37,450 gonna go in for another dose and I'm 724 00:30:42,150 --> 00:30:39,340 like listen I'll do other experiments 725 00:30:43,950 --> 00:30:42,160 I'm not doing that again I don't know 726 00:30:46,410 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skies and 754 00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:06,760 remember to elevate your craft well 755 00:32:11,850 --> 00:32:09,670 moving away Chris from zombie boys 756 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:11,860 there's a couple other episodes that I 757 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:14,410 saw in the upcoming list that really 758 00:32:18,780 --> 00:32:16,810 caught my attention and another one was 759 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:18,790 called game over now I'd heard of this 760 00:32:23,070 --> 00:32:21,370 urban legend in the past and I never 761 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:23,080 really knew what to make of it so it was 762 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:24,610 really cool to see that you were gonna 763 00:32:29,730 --> 00:32:27,850 be covering this and the urban legend of 764 00:32:33,210 --> 00:32:29,740 the arcade game Polybius 765 00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:33,220 and you end this this idea with 766 00:32:38,130 --> 00:32:36,550 literally the fabric of reality so can 767 00:32:40,650 --> 00:32:38,140 you tell us a little about what will be 768 00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,660 covered in this episode yeah I mean we 769 00:32:45,090 --> 00:32:43,120 have very heady subjects but we have 770 00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:45,100 incredible guests throughout every 771 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:47,110 episode so it's like sometimes you get 772 00:32:50,890 --> 00:32:48,770 the experts 773 00:32:52,750 --> 00:32:50,900 and I like experts you know experts are 774 00:32:54,490 --> 00:32:52,760 great but I really like people who are 775 00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:54,500 very well-versed in subject matter that 776 00:33:02,740 --> 00:32:58,720 that is at least somewhat tangible and 777 00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:02,750 so in the case of the Polybius episode 778 00:33:08,170 --> 00:33:06,110 like it uh you know it covers this urban 779 00:33:10,660 --> 00:33:08,180 legend that surfaced in Portland Oregon 780 00:33:14,620 --> 00:33:10,670 on the arcade scene about a video game 781 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:14,630 that maybe was created by some kind of 782 00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:18,890 rogue government faction to be it was a 783 00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,440 very first prototype to put out into the 784 00:33:27,550 --> 00:33:23,600 public to influence and control the 785 00:33:29,530 --> 00:33:27,560 minds of the person playing it kids now 786 00:33:30,970 --> 00:33:29,540 today we flash forward to today you have 787 00:33:33,850 --> 00:33:30,980 fortnight you have all these things that 788 00:33:36,850 --> 00:33:33,860 kids are addicted to and so I wanted to 789 00:33:39,580 --> 00:33:36,860 see if there was any weight or truth to 790 00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:39,590 this legend because it to me it sounds 791 00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:42,230 quite believable and so throughout our 792 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:44,870 journey I mean we spoke to no bush know 793 00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:47,210 the the co-founder of Atari 794 00:33:54,340 --> 00:33:51,710 who Atari the game battlezone was used 795 00:33:57,610 --> 00:33:54,350 by the military and even developed 796 00:34:00,370 --> 00:33:57,620 co-developed by the military for to 797 00:34:02,980 --> 00:34:00,380 Train tank drivers so it's not starting 798 00:34:05,230 --> 00:34:02,990 with that that concept that the 799 00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:05,240 government is involved in video games is 800 00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,390 not far-fetched at all it's very real 801 00:34:12,220 --> 00:34:10,159 there are very few regulations on games 802 00:34:16,290 --> 00:34:12,230 and and and Bush now believed that 803 00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:16,300 Polybius in its basic concept is real 804 00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,950 and you'll see his interview in the show 805 00:34:22,810 --> 00:34:21,200 but so that's what we do like we're not 806 00:34:24,940 --> 00:34:22,820 just speculating on an urban legend 807 00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:24,950 we're truly investigating this thing and 808 00:34:29,649 --> 00:34:27,950 so we were looking for the game we went 809 00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:29,659 to Portland we would talked around you 810 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:31,790 know but I I believe that those games 811 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:34,130 were removed if they did exist and I did 812 00:34:39,399 --> 00:34:36,290 I do believe something like that existed 813 00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:39,409 so we ended up speaking with people who 814 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:41,929 were we went to Seattle we talked to 815 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:45,050 people who were in a almost like a rehab 816 00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:47,330 center for people who were affected by 817 00:34:51,850 --> 00:34:50,000 games and I think you know you'll see in 818 00:34:54,970 --> 00:34:51,860 the episode but ultimately what we found 819 00:34:57,850 --> 00:34:54,980 through this entire journey is it's ten 820 00:35:00,340 --> 00:34:57,860 times more terrifying than the legend of 821 00:35:02,140 --> 00:35:00,350 polybius wow man dead well that sounds 822 00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:02,150 fascinating I can't wait to see where 823 00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:02,560 that 824 00:35:07,980 --> 00:35:05,500 goes I know I'm sure Polybius was only 825 00:35:10,860 --> 00:35:07,990 scratching the surface of what was 826 00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:10,870 probably a darker thing I would assume 827 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:13,540 and and and does exist and again like I 828 00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:15,370 want to make very clear I'm a I play 829 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:17,740 games I have an oculus quest I'm in the 830 00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:19,810 VR world you know I was a ninja the 831 00:35:22,890 --> 00:35:21,160 other night shooting people in a subway 832 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:22,900 station and using my sword and 833 00:35:27,090 --> 00:35:24,490 everything you know futuristic you know 834 00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:27,100 anime ninja I love that stuff but I'm 835 00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:28,870 not addicted I can put it down for three 836 00:35:32,070 --> 00:35:30,190 months and never touch it again and I 837 00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,080 love it that much you know like I think 838 00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,000 it's amazing I think the virtual world 839 00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:35,680 there's so many things especially for 840 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:38,710 people in cinema and community and it 841 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:40,810 might be the thing that breaks that 842 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:43,690 sedentary you know taboo of sitting and 843 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:45,130 playing video games all day and actually 844 00:35:49,290 --> 00:35:46,810 thrusts you into this kind of physical 845 00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:49,300 environment you have to communicate with 846 00:35:53,970 --> 00:35:51,790 people because their avatars so uh but 847 00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:53,980 the danger is we're entering a world now 848 00:35:58,170 --> 00:35:56,260 that there could be a puppet master in 849 00:35:59,310 --> 00:35:58,180 there there could be a Trojan horse in 850 00:36:01,500 --> 00:35:59,320 there messing with us 851 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:01,510 and now you have this headset on and 852 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:03,370 it's directly affecting your brain and 853 00:36:08,220 --> 00:36:06,370 we explore these things in strange world 854 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:08,230 because there are technologies being 855 00:36:12,450 --> 00:36:10,170 developed for virtual reality right now 856 00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,460 that will blow your mind 857 00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,560 you know I we went to a lab for one of 858 00:36:21,210 --> 00:36:16,960 the episodes in Boston we went to a lab 859 00:36:23,940 --> 00:36:21,220 were they where I tried on a virtual 860 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:23,950 system you literally have telekinesis in 861 00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:25,450 the virtual world you were using your 862 00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,480 mind to move things and not not your 863 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:30,880 eyes not your hands not the controllers 864 00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:32,530 that come with the VR systems your mind 865 00:36:37,350 --> 00:36:34,990 and you'll see in the episode as to how 866 00:36:38,670 --> 00:36:37,360 this works but it's real and this is the 867 00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:38,680 beginning of it think of where it's 868 00:36:43,380 --> 00:36:40,990 gonna be in ten years from now oh and I 869 00:36:46,110 --> 00:36:43,390 can't even imagine none of us can I 870 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:46,120 would assume that's really fascinating I 871 00:36:51,570 --> 00:36:48,010 can't wait to see that one course um 872 00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:51,580 well moving away from brainwashing it's 873 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:54,070 impossible curses you're covering the 874 00:36:58,860 --> 00:36:57,010 story of James Dean in his infamous car 875 00:37:01,500 --> 00:36:58,870 can you tell us a little about this 876 00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:01,510 episode the legend behind little bastard 877 00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:05,110 sure mind you this some and it you know 878 00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:08,350 I grew up watching James Dean films my 879 00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:10,420 mom was a big Natalie Wood fan my dad 880 00:37:13,860 --> 00:37:11,740 was into James Dean so I grew up 881 00:37:16,380 --> 00:37:13,870 watching his movies all the time I had 882 00:37:19,710 --> 00:37:16,390 not I knew of his tragic death I had not 883 00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:19,720 heard of The Legend of little bastard 884 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:22,960 which was the name of Dean's Porsche 550 885 00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,170 spider that he died in unfortunately I 886 00:37:30,329 --> 00:37:28,960 didn't know that until not too long ago 887 00:37:33,299 --> 00:37:30,339 and immediately I thought of Stephen 888 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:33,309 King's Christine you know I was like wow 889 00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,529 did this story influence King try 890 00:37:38,009 --> 00:37:36,640 Christine and I know there are other 891 00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:38,019 stories out there that allegedly 892 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:40,630 influenced King but this one is very 893 00:37:46,799 --> 00:37:43,210 similar in a way in MIT in in ways and 894 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:46,809 in that curse so this story begins oddly 895 00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:50,170 enough in Los Angeles only two days 896 00:37:56,819 --> 00:37:53,049 before James Dean died drives up to a 897 00:37:59,059 --> 00:37:56,829 restaurant and runs into Sir Alec 898 00:38:01,920 --> 00:37:59,069 Guinness who played obi-wan Kenobi and 899 00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:01,930 Thelma Moss who was an actress at the 900 00:38:05,549 --> 00:38:03,369 time but who eventually became the 901 00:38:07,769 --> 00:38:05,559 archetype for all of the female 902 00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:07,779 paranormal investigators in everything 903 00:38:12,269 --> 00:38:10,150 from the entity to Colter guys to 904 00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:12,279 insidious that was Thelma Moss at that 905 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:14,260 stage because she was the head of 906 00:38:18,059 --> 00:38:17,410 parapsychology over at UCLA just a 907 00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:18,069 little tidbit 908 00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:19,569 we don't really touch on in the episode 909 00:38:22,769 --> 00:38:21,670 but you know I talked about it I talked 910 00:38:25,769 --> 00:38:22,779 about it throughout the process is that 911 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:25,779 it's weird that this experience I'm 912 00:38:31,529 --> 00:38:27,730 about to explain that started the whole 913 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:31,539 alleged cursive little bastard Sir Alec 914 00:38:35,339 --> 00:38:33,130 Guinness looked at James Dean as he 915 00:38:37,740 --> 00:38:35,349 pulled up in the Porsche 550 spider and 916 00:38:40,650 --> 00:38:37,750 that that car was named little bastard 917 00:38:42,690 --> 00:38:40,660 after Jack Warner had told James Dean to 918 00:38:44,279 --> 00:38:42,700 get off of his set because Dean was 919 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:44,289 parked in there and a trailer and he 920 00:38:48,420 --> 00:38:45,609 said get that little bastard off I said 921 00:38:52,829 --> 00:38:48,430 so Dean named his car after what Wanted 922 00:38:56,099 --> 00:38:52,839 called him so so dean walks into the 923 00:38:59,099 --> 00:38:56,109 restaurant to show his new car to Sir 924 00:39:00,690 --> 00:38:59,109 Alec Guinness and Guinness later said 925 00:39:03,210 --> 00:39:00,700 that he felt something come over him 926 00:39:07,019 --> 00:39:03,220 some kind of force that took over his 927 00:39:09,329 --> 00:39:07,029 mouth and said if you get in that car 928 00:39:12,539 --> 00:39:09,339 you're going to be dead in two days 929 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:12,549 and now who says that when you're not I 930 00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:14,650 got a new car recently I was excited to 931 00:39:17,999 --> 00:39:16,569 show people you know us this new Mustang 932 00:39:20,430 --> 00:39:18,009 like I love it you know and it's like 933 00:39:22,140 --> 00:39:20,440 who looks at you and says don't get back 934 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:22,150 in that car you're gonna die you know 935 00:39:26,249 --> 00:39:23,650 that's a horrible thing to say to 936 00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:26,259 somebody and Guinness said that he was 937 00:39:30,180 --> 00:39:28,089 taken over by something that this this 938 00:39:33,870 --> 00:39:30,190 was a premonition this was something 939 00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:33,880 very strong so that began the legend the 940 00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:36,660 car as you'll learn in the the story 941 00:39:45,420 --> 00:39:41,920 went on to be the source of tragedy for 942 00:39:48,570 --> 00:39:45,430 a lot of people and this is real stuff 943 00:39:50,850 --> 00:39:48,580 you know after Dean's accident after 944 00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:50,860 this unfortunate accident Dean died in 945 00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:54,670 the crash and his driver of raw food 946 00:40:00,540 --> 00:39:57,730 Erick was was horribly injured and rehab 947 00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:00,550 for a year this car was taken by a 948 00:40:06,990 --> 00:40:04,270 doctor in Los Angeles who utilized the 949 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:07,000 engine and a Lotus that he was about to 950 00:40:12,830 --> 00:40:09,850 race and his buddy cannibalized parts 951 00:40:16,410 --> 00:40:12,840 from it in his other Porsche 550 spider 952 00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:16,420 both men just those two men in the race 953 00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:18,880 that they got into got in horrible 954 00:40:22,590 --> 00:40:20,830 crashes and the his buddy who was 955 00:40:25,860 --> 00:40:22,600 driving the other Porsche 550 spider 956 00:40:26,730 --> 00:40:25,870 died in the crash so I won't say much 957 00:40:28,980 --> 00:40:26,740 more because I want you to learn more 958 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:28,990 about it in the episode but this car 959 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:31,810 went on and on and on until George 960 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:34,570 Barris the great car designer designed 961 00:40:38,730 --> 00:40:36,250 the Batmobile and greased lightning and 962 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:38,740 all these other cool cars got his hands 963 00:40:40,290 --> 00:40:39,130 on it 964 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:40,300 and this where the mystery begins 965 00:40:44,820 --> 00:40:42,370 because Barris was taking it around and 966 00:40:47,850 --> 00:40:44,830 auto shows is like a preventative for 967 00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:47,860 you know people to be careful while 968 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:49,540 they're driving you know James Dean died 969 00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:52,330 while he was driving fast and so but 970 00:40:56,370 --> 00:40:54,430 little bastard continued to injure 971 00:40:58,260 --> 00:40:56,380 people apparently you know a truck 972 00:41:00,600 --> 00:40:58,270 driver got in a car an accident he was 973 00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:00,610 thrown from the truck and the chassis 974 00:41:04,650 --> 00:41:02,710 fell over and landed on us and killed 975 00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:04,660 him a fire started in a garage somewhere 976 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:07,270 and the place almost burnt down to the 977 00:41:11,310 --> 00:41:08,890 ground but little bastard was unaffected 978 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:11,320 a little girl was at one of the displays 979 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:14,770 of the the car the chassis of the car at 980 00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,090 a Auto Museum and it collapsed and broke 981 00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:21,040 her hip people cut themselves on it got 982 00:41:25,620 --> 00:41:23,710 hurt and then 60 years ago the car 983 00:41:28,820 --> 00:41:25,630 disappeared so the episode is setting 984 00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:28,830 you up with that story more details and 985 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:32,500 exploring the curse and looking for the 986 00:41:36,090 --> 00:41:33,970 car I mean we you know I genuinely 987 00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:36,100 wanted to find this thing and we've 988 00:41:41,580 --> 00:41:39,070 really really looked for it and there 989 00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:41,590 was some revelations along the way and I 990 00:41:46,110 --> 00:41:43,510 will leave that slate 991 00:41:47,970 --> 00:41:46,120 like so you can see our journey see how 992 00:41:49,740 --> 00:41:47,980 we approached it see how we discussed 993 00:41:51,570 --> 00:41:49,750 the history and other Hollywood related 994 00:41:53,790 --> 00:41:51,580 curses that you know that might even be 995 00:41:55,740 --> 00:41:53,800 directly related you know you have to as 996 00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:55,750 you know as an investigator into the to 997 00:42:00,180 --> 00:41:57,730 the fringe into the unknown you have to 998 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:00,190 keep an open mind to everything every 999 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:01,690 bit of information that comes your way 1000 00:42:06,020 --> 00:42:03,730 you have to say well I wonder is this 1001 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:06,030 this possibility and I always you know 1002 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:09,010 with a healthy skeptic has skepticism of 1003 00:42:15,690 --> 00:42:12,730 course but I never you know understand 1004 00:42:18,270 --> 00:42:15,700 why staunch skeptics that the skeptics 1005 00:42:19,830 --> 00:42:18,280 go into things and dive deep into these 1006 00:42:21,390 --> 00:42:19,840 subjects because it's a waste of time 1007 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:21,400 they're never going to believe anything 1008 00:42:25,470 --> 00:42:24,010 and and you're exploring the fringe so 1009 00:42:28,740 --> 00:42:25,480 you have to be open to it a little bit 1010 00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:28,750 and so there are some odd circumstances 1011 00:42:33,180 --> 00:42:30,670 in all of these cases but we start with 1012 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:33,190 facts the fact is there was some really 1013 00:42:37,290 --> 00:42:35,170 bad luck with anything related to little 1014 00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:37,300 bastard after that accident there was a 1015 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:39,250 premonition by Alec Guinness the guy 1016 00:42:42,450 --> 00:42:41,050 swore to it you know until his death he 1017 00:42:46,530 --> 00:42:42,460 didn't have to profit off of either he 1018 00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,540 was a famous actor you know so these 1019 00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:48,400 things I take into consideration and 1020 00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:51,310 what and also it's it's exciting to 1021 00:42:55,980 --> 00:42:53,350 explore these mysteries you know and 1022 00:42:59,700 --> 00:42:55,990 things that like again you don't really 1023 00:43:02,190 --> 00:42:59,710 see on mainstream television again we 1024 00:43:05,820 --> 00:43:02,200 won't we see the same ghost story it's 1025 00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:05,830 the same UFO cases but you're really 1026 00:43:11,490 --> 00:43:09,430 tapping into what the title conveys our 1027 00:43:15,390 --> 00:43:11,500 strange world and these things that can 1028 00:43:17,010 --> 00:43:15,400 be documented can be proven so that's 1029 00:43:18,780 --> 00:43:17,020 what's really fascinating I can't wait 1030 00:43:20,820 --> 00:43:18,790 to see what you discovered in the end 1031 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:20,830 with that one oh thank you thank you 1032 00:43:26,610 --> 00:43:23,050 very much well the last episode I kind 1033 00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,620 of want to touch on brings us to one of 1034 00:43:30,330 --> 00:43:28,480 our past guests here on someone the 1035 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:30,340 skies and that's any cake Randa and 1036 00:43:35,790 --> 00:43:32,890 experienced inexperienced or researcher 1037 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:35,800 that looks at UFOs alien abductions 1038 00:43:41,250 --> 00:43:38,770 paranormal phenomena and could you maybe 1039 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:41,260 tease a little about what this episode 1040 00:43:47,310 --> 00:43:44,290 is gonna be about okay so all of these 1041 00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:47,320 stories I have a personal connection to 1042 00:43:51,540 --> 00:43:49,480 or some kind of like really strong 1043 00:43:53,940 --> 00:43:51,550 interest in I pick these subjects and 1044 00:43:57,060 --> 00:43:53,950 even know possibilities for season two 1045 00:44:01,290 --> 00:43:57,070 or even more elaborate but 1046 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:01,300 this episode is very personal at times 1047 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:06,970 and I when I was a kid I I had a pretty 1048 00:44:13,020 --> 00:44:09,250 profound experience at 14 years old I 1049 00:44:14,580 --> 00:44:13,030 woke up early in the morning late at 1050 00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:14,590 night you know 3:00 a.m. around that 1051 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:18,640 time to this loud whispering it happened 1052 00:44:25,350 --> 00:44:22,090 for two nights didn't happen during the 1053 00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:25,360 day never happened before that and never 1054 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:27,550 happened again after those two nights at 1055 00:44:31,530 --> 00:44:29,290 that time but I continued to have 1056 00:44:33,930 --> 00:44:31,540 experiences on and off throughout my 1057 00:44:35,970 --> 00:44:33,940 youth at around that time in the middle 1058 00:44:41,310 --> 00:44:35,980 of the night I would wake up and here's 1059 00:44:44,970 --> 00:44:41,320 something or one time much later I saw a 1060 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:44,980 woman walk from one room to another in 1061 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:47,970 my apartment in Michigan and disappear 1062 00:44:53,550 --> 00:44:50,170 you know just out of the blue one night 1063 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:53,560 you know and again I drug user I don't I 1064 00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:55,930 don't and I'm not crazy I he'd be crazy 1065 00:44:58,110 --> 00:44:57,760 all the time crazy doesn't stop you're 1066 00:45:03,630 --> 00:44:58,120 crazy 1067 00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,640 mean I I saw these things I experienced 1068 00:45:11,610 --> 00:45:06,000 these things and so this episode 1069 00:45:15,330 --> 00:45:11,620 explores why is there something about 1070 00:45:18,690 --> 00:45:15,340 your physiology around that time around 1071 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:18,700 3:00 a.m. that that causes this that it 1072 00:45:22,290 --> 00:45:20,530 could be a hallucination that it could 1073 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:22,300 be something that you experience because 1074 00:45:27,930 --> 00:45:25,570 of the body at that time or your sleep 1075 00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:27,940 patterns at that time or is there really 1076 00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,640 something to the legend of the witching 1077 00:45:35,070 --> 00:45:32,800 hour and why are so many experiences 1078 00:45:36,690 --> 00:45:35,080 having those experiences in the middle 1079 00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:36,700 of the night in their sleep you know 1080 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:38,710 these abduction experiences or these 1081 00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:41,530 haunting experiences and so we explore 1082 00:45:46,650 --> 00:45:43,750 that concept it's really the concept of 1083 00:45:50,580 --> 00:45:46,660 the witching hour why is that particular 1084 00:45:52,590 --> 00:45:50,590 time so intense and I actually go to a 1085 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:52,600 talking-to n cake Rhonda in the episode 1086 00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:55,210 about her own experiences and she brings 1087 00:46:01,650 --> 00:45:58,090 an experience an experience or with her 1088 00:46:04,290 --> 00:46:01,660 somebody who was encountered by some 1089 00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:04,300 very dark energy something that was very 1090 00:46:06,330 --> 00:46:05,950 heavy something that was coming after 1091 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:06,340 her 1092 00:46:10,970 --> 00:46:08,410 you know I've had these feelings before 1093 00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:10,980 I've had these experiences myself I can 1094 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:13,049 I can't tell you what they are when I 1095 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:14,730 was a kid I thought it was a haunting I 1096 00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:15,930 thought there was a ghost in my house 1097 00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:17,700 you know when I experienced that thing 1098 00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:20,880 in Michigan I thought it was you know 1099 00:46:23,690 --> 00:46:22,470 maybe a woman that died in the apartment 1100 00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:23,700 before I was renting it 1101 00:46:30,380 --> 00:46:27,569 but now I don't know you know we live on 1102 00:46:32,270 --> 00:46:30,390 a multi-dimensional plane 1103 00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:32,280 you know we could be peeking into other 1104 00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:36,000 times other dimensions I'm not sure but 1105 00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:38,220 in the episode I go to a sleep clinic 1106 00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:41,369 and they wanted to monitor me you know 1107 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:43,859 scientifically what happens to me while 1108 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:47,010 I'm asleep at that time and just to see 1109 00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:49,170 if I had any experiences I did have I 1110 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:50,609 will I won't tell you what happens but 1111 00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:53,250 you know we really try we try to explore 1112 00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:55,140 the subject scientifically throughout 1113 00:46:59,960 --> 00:46:57,690 each episode but also keep it 1114 00:47:01,700 --> 00:46:59,970 interesting and keep it fun really you 1115 00:47:04,299 --> 00:47:01,710 know we can't ever lose that we can't 1116 00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:04,309 lose that atmosphere we can't lose what 1117 00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,569 drew to the Jewess to these things 1118 00:47:10,819 --> 00:47:09,359 initially it does not deal ejido my's 1119 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:10,829 our investigations 1120 00:47:15,650 --> 00:47:13,170 I think people become very crotchety 1121 00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:15,660 after a while and they forget what 1122 00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,720 inspired them in the first place and so 1123 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:20,160 they look down upon 1124 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:22,170 maybe the entertainment aspect of these 1125 00:47:26,030 --> 00:47:24,450 investigations I disagree I don't think 1126 00:47:27,289 --> 00:47:26,040 they should be stupid you know I think 1127 00:47:28,789 --> 00:47:27,299 it should be intelligent I think it 1128 00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,799 should be stylistic and beautiful and 1129 00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:31,440 interesting and I should have depth but 1130 00:47:36,890 --> 00:47:33,660 I but I also don't believe the other 1131 00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:36,900 extreme where it's just so stagnant and 1132 00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:40,260 so clinical and it's all information and 1133 00:47:44,089 --> 00:47:42,569 it's like calm down we need to bring 1134 00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:44,099 people into these things we need to get 1135 00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:45,960 them interested in this is this is a 1136 00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,510 format that requires that it's a visual 1137 00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:50,880 format an audible format if you just 1138 00:47:55,940 --> 00:47:53,640 wanted it to be literature or text write 1139 00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:55,950 an academic book on the subject but 1140 00:48:01,339 --> 00:47:58,140 don't bring it into the world of 1141 00:48:03,170 --> 00:48:01,349 television or movies or you know even 1142 00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:03,180 podcasts like your podcast is 1143 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:05,220 interesting that's why I listen to it 1144 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:08,010 you know you're an interesting guy yeah 1145 00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:09,690 you know you you thrive off of these 1146 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:12,089 things just like I do so it's like we 1147 00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,890 need though we need that coupled with 1148 00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,079 these mysteries it gives it's inspires 1149 00:48:21,410 --> 00:48:18,240 us it sparks the imagination and and one 1150 00:48:24,829 --> 00:48:21,420 day you know it also motivates us to 1151 00:48:26,539 --> 00:48:24,839 look into these things and and 1152 00:48:28,759 --> 00:48:26,549 that's what this show is about and 1153 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:28,769 sometimes you know often you're not 1154 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:31,410 going to find the answers so it's the 1155 00:48:35,269 --> 00:48:33,450 journey that I think is more interesting 1156 00:48:39,859 --> 00:48:35,279 than the conclusion sometimes oh 1157 00:48:42,019 --> 00:48:39,869 absolutely man I am a huge I'm a huge 1158 00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,029 supporter of that idea that you know the 1159 00:48:46,819 --> 00:48:43,680 the journey is far more important than 1160 00:48:49,999 --> 00:48:46,829 the destination and you're right you're 1161 00:48:52,940 --> 00:48:50,009 right when I was approached to work on 1162 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:52,950 our television series they said to us 1163 00:48:58,819 --> 00:48:56,450 okay we want you to take a UFO case from 1164 00:49:02,059 --> 00:48:58,829 1947 and make it interesting for a 1165 00:49:07,489 --> 00:49:02,069 demographic of teenage girls from the 1166 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:07,499 age of 14 to like 21 oh man okay how the 1167 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:09,690 hell are we gonna do that but you know 1168 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:11,729 what our ratings went through the roof 1169 00:49:16,459 --> 00:49:13,890 and they bought a series and you're 1170 00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:16,469 right that's fantastic let's say okay 1171 00:49:21,380 --> 00:49:19,920 right now you hear that note and I think 1172 00:49:22,910 --> 00:49:21,390 you did I know you did the right thing 1173 00:49:24,739 --> 00:49:22,920 is what you said was I'm not gonna 1174 00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,749 underestimate these teenage girls I'm 1175 00:49:29,329 --> 00:49:26,400 gonna assume they're they are 1176 00:49:32,569 --> 00:49:29,339 intelligent they love interesting things 1177 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:32,579 they thrive off of mystery and that's 1178 00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:34,170 what we're gonna give them you know like 1179 00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:35,460 not oh wow 1180 00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,900 he said teenage girls well let's make 1181 00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:38,640 something really dumb thin and 1182 00:49:42,890 --> 00:49:41,099 repetitive no that's not what it is 1183 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:42,900 let's let's give these girls some credit 1184 00:49:49,459 --> 00:49:45,210 right not only girls the credit but I 1185 00:49:51,499 --> 00:49:49,469 mean I think a lot of the older guard as 1186 00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:51,509 it were less saying ufology or just 1187 00:49:56,809 --> 00:49:53,099 people interested in these esoteric 1188 00:49:59,599 --> 00:49:56,819 topics they tend to believe that kids or 1189 00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,609 teenagers are dumb you know they live in 1190 00:50:05,299 --> 00:50:00,960 this digital age where they're on their 1191 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:05,309 phones 24/7 they say uh and dude and man 1192 00:50:10,249 --> 00:50:07,890 I do that on my podcast all the time and 1193 00:50:11,989 --> 00:50:10,259 I get called out by like 50 year old 1194 00:50:14,569 --> 00:50:11,999 saying you got to be more professional 1195 00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:14,579 you know what it's my show it's your 1196 00:50:17,569 --> 00:50:15,900 show do what you want with it do what 1197 00:50:20,209 --> 00:50:17,579 you want with it but at the same time I 1198 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:20,219 think younger people are a lot more 1199 00:50:26,029 --> 00:50:22,410 intelligent than we give them credit for 1200 00:50:28,849 --> 00:50:26,039 so you're right never underestimate your 1201 00:50:31,609 --> 00:50:28,859 audience don't offend them by saying 1202 00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:31,619 let's just cover the basics they're not 1203 00:50:36,499 --> 00:50:33,569 going to understand any of the new stuff 1204 00:50:37,819 --> 00:50:36,509 no let's challenge them that's why we're 1205 00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:37,829 creating 1206 00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:40,380 shows it's not to just do the same thing 1207 00:50:43,479 --> 00:50:42,390 over and over and over again like if 1208 00:50:46,759 --> 00:50:43,489 we're gonna bring it to the mainstream 1209 00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:46,769 let's no longer make it mainstream by 1210 00:50:51,769 --> 00:50:49,319 dumbing it down let's actually challenge 1211 00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:51,779 them agreed I mean think about it you 1212 00:50:54,859 --> 00:50:53,609 know in search of they didn't say well 1213 00:50:56,690 --> 00:50:54,869 we need to dumb this down they said 1214 00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:56,700 let's give them a great show and that's 1215 00:51:00,680 --> 00:50:58,380 all you have to do your job is to give 1216 00:51:02,989 --> 00:51:00,690 them a great show and put something 1217 00:51:04,699 --> 00:51:02,999 forward that's worth having can give 1218 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:04,709 them something interesting and excite 1219 00:51:08,479 --> 00:51:06,930 them and and and and give them something 1220 00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,489 to explore and give them something to 1221 00:51:11,479 --> 00:51:10,079 think about it night before when they 1222 00:51:14,059 --> 00:51:11,489 shut the lights you know it's like 1223 00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:14,069 that's what we had as kids so we need to 1224 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:15,839 give them the same thing I mean when I 1225 00:51:19,729 --> 00:51:17,729 went to sleep after watching your first 1226 00:51:22,089 --> 00:51:19,739 episode all I could think about was like 1227 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:22,099 oh god am I gonna start having Montauk 1228 00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,170 bears what's gonna happen so yes if it 1229 00:51:29,809 --> 00:51:27,599 can leave a lingering effect on you some 1230 00:51:33,289 --> 00:51:29,819 way somehow make you think make you 1231 00:51:36,109 --> 00:51:33,299 Google the next morning what the Montauk 1232 00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:36,119 Project is or what little bastard is 1233 00:51:42,289 --> 00:51:38,700 like that's all you can ask for is for 1234 00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:42,299 someone to not just say okay go into bed 1235 00:51:47,089 --> 00:51:44,160 that's what you want you want to make 1236 00:51:48,979 --> 00:51:47,099 you think yeah get excite them and let 1237 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:48,989 them go further explore these mysteries 1238 00:51:53,660 --> 00:51:51,930 and that's why that's why I'm making 1239 00:51:55,370 --> 00:51:53,670 this show this is something I've wanted 1240 00:51:58,880 --> 00:51:55,380 to do since I was a kid I'm sure the 1241 00:52:00,709 --> 00:51:58,890 same with you and you know we need to 1242 00:52:02,509 --> 00:52:00,719 continue that tradition it's like with 1243 00:52:06,709 --> 00:52:02,519 the torch was passed to us to do these 1244 00:52:09,799 --> 00:52:06,719 things now and so who said that we have 1245 00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:09,809 to make the same like thing look what I 1246 00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,209 hope is I don't I don't I my goal isn't 1247 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:13,920 to obliterate the shows that are on TV 1248 00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:15,930 right now what I'd like to do you to 1249 00:52:20,839 --> 00:52:18,569 let's challenge them and elevate them 1250 00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:20,849 and make them change their formats you 1251 00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:22,680 know it's either sink or swim at this 1252 00:52:28,489 --> 00:52:25,380 point because I think the format is now 1253 00:52:31,099 --> 00:52:28,499 done to death and Beyond and it's time 1254 00:52:32,539 --> 00:52:31,109 for it to change absolutely shake things 1255 00:52:35,299 --> 00:52:32,549 up I couldn't agree more 1256 00:52:38,839 --> 00:52:35,309 well you didn't mention now further 1257 00:52:41,539 --> 00:52:38,849 exploration Chris if given a season two 1258 00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:41,549 of strange world what do you want to 1259 00:52:45,099 --> 00:52:42,900 cover man what are the things that you 1260 00:52:47,269 --> 00:52:45,109 just weren't able to do in season one 1261 00:52:49,489 --> 00:52:47,279 okay I don't want to say too much 1262 00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,499 because it's his top secret right now 1263 00:52:55,459 --> 00:52:51,599 but let's say this content 1264 00:52:57,549 --> 00:52:55,469 the variety continuing the adventure 1265 00:52:59,959 --> 00:52:57,559 being even more creative with our 1266 00:53:01,400 --> 00:52:59,969 recreations being even more creative 1267 00:53:03,439 --> 00:53:01,410 with the cinematography during the 1268 00:53:07,359 --> 00:53:03,449 investigative scenes because often those 1269 00:53:10,130 --> 00:53:07,369 things are very handheld and shaky and 1270 00:53:11,779 --> 00:53:10,140 there is a technique and there is a way 1271 00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:11,789 to shoot it's almost like cinema and 1272 00:53:15,709 --> 00:53:13,619 even in its construction I want to go 1273 00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:15,719 further with it I want to go further 1274 00:53:20,509 --> 00:53:17,609 with the style I want to go further with 1275 00:53:22,339 --> 00:53:20,519 the look I want to really work hard and 1276 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:22,349 achieve to see if we can find things you 1277 00:53:25,699 --> 00:53:23,729 know I think we were really close to 1278 00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:25,709 finding that you know different things 1279 00:53:30,529 --> 00:53:28,319 in these episodes finding evidence at 1280 00:53:32,569 --> 00:53:30,539 times we did at times we were super 1281 00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:32,579 close which is even more suspenseful I 1282 00:53:38,660 --> 00:53:36,569 think and and and so raise the stakes 1283 00:53:41,689 --> 00:53:38,670 make it more suspenseful make it more 1284 00:53:43,459 --> 00:53:41,699 dangerous do things that no one's ever 1285 00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:43,469 done before on a show like this that's 1286 00:53:46,579 --> 00:53:44,940 what I want to do for season to push it 1287 00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:46,589 even harder I don't want to do is season 1288 00:53:49,969 --> 00:53:48,209 two unless I can do it better I love 1289 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:49,979 that I love hearing that you sort of 1290 00:53:54,170 --> 00:53:51,930 wrapping things up here can you maybe 1291 00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,180 tell us a little about your other 1292 00:54:00,410 --> 00:53:56,400 project you're working on titled fifty 1293 00:54:02,509 --> 00:54:00,420 states of fear okay here this is this is 1294 00:54:04,759 --> 00:54:02,519 a pretty neat thing and it's evolving 1295 00:54:07,339 --> 00:54:04,769 right now so 50 states of fear is 1296 00:54:11,089 --> 00:54:07,349 currently being produced by a production 1297 00:54:13,219 --> 00:54:11,099 company in New York also Sam Raimi 1298 00:54:17,749 --> 00:54:13,229 Jeffrey Katzenberg all got involved and 1299 00:54:22,819 --> 00:54:17,759 I was asked to be a part of it and I was 1300 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:22,829 writing a fictional version of the 1301 00:54:28,219 --> 00:54:25,170 Montauk Project my take on it with 1302 00:54:29,870 --> 00:54:28,229 characters awesome characters awesome 1303 00:54:33,099 --> 00:54:29,880 story I love writing about it I'm kind 1304 00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:33,109 of excruciating for me to continue to 1305 00:54:38,839 --> 00:54:36,180 investigate montage like I I encourage 1306 00:54:40,609 --> 00:54:38,849 people to go where take it where we left 1307 00:54:42,979 --> 00:54:40,619 off and I'm happy to help anybody or 1308 00:54:45,650 --> 00:54:42,989 consult in anyone's investigation I'm 1309 00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:45,660 encouraging them to go and do it but for 1310 00:54:49,699 --> 00:54:48,209 me I'm finished so but I in the 1311 00:54:50,299 --> 00:54:49,709 fictional world I've got this great 1312 00:54:53,059 --> 00:54:50,309 story 1313 00:54:56,329 --> 00:54:53,069 and so this studio was interested in 1314 00:54:58,930 --> 00:54:56,339 working with me on it as a series and so 1315 00:55:03,769 --> 00:54:58,940 they found 50 states of fear as a way to 1316 00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:03,779 to kind of maybe be a to bring more 1317 00:55:08,109 --> 00:55:05,430 interest in it at that time 1318 00:55:09,950 --> 00:55:08,119 now that strange world is happening and 1319 00:55:12,380 --> 00:55:09,960 you know a lot of things have happened 1320 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:12,390 since I began those discussions with 50 1321 00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:15,690 states and all of that it seems like the 1322 00:55:22,490 --> 00:55:18,780 prospect of this fictional version is is 1323 00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:22,500 becoming stronger and that's all I'm 1324 00:55:25,549 --> 00:55:23,940 going to say right now but yeah 50 1325 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:25,559 states appears an anthology series that 1326 00:55:32,420 --> 00:55:28,170 I was invited to be a part of and direct 1327 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:32,430 and write an episode which I did so I'll 1328 00:55:34,819 --> 00:55:34,410 tell you more a little bit down the road 1329 00:55:37,220 --> 00:55:34,829 okay 1330 00:55:39,380 --> 00:55:37,230 yeah well it's so cool to see like your 1331 00:55:42,349 --> 00:55:39,390 worlds colliding now between you know 1332 00:55:44,450 --> 00:55:42,359 what is ostensibly fact in what could be 1333 00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:44,460 fiction so I can't wait to hear more 1334 00:55:50,809 --> 00:55:47,730 about that yes and then I have um I have 1335 00:55:51,770 --> 00:55:50,819 some pure fiction I'm writing that it's 1336 00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:51,780 all you know it's always this 1337 00:55:55,809 --> 00:55:54,720 transformative like story I I don't I 1338 00:55:59,210 --> 00:55:55,819 don't think stories should just be 1339 00:56:00,500 --> 00:55:59,220 violent for violence sake or there 1340 00:56:02,210 --> 00:56:00,510 should to be some kind of transformation 1341 00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:02,220 or journey that a character goes through 1342 00:56:09,380 --> 00:56:06,089 so I I do have several other things in 1343 00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:09,390 in motion another series another 1344 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:13,609 fictional series and a a movie that 1345 00:56:18,620 --> 00:56:16,170 probably will start rolling at some 1346 00:56:20,299 --> 00:56:18,630 point this year designed to be worked 1347 00:56:22,490 --> 00:56:20,309 around the other projects but I'm really 1348 00:56:24,859 --> 00:56:22,500 excited about this movie awesome it you 1349 00:56:25,370 --> 00:56:24,869 never stop unit you never stop when do 1350 00:56:29,059 --> 00:56:25,380 you sleep 1351 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:29,069 I find time every now and then to sleep 1352 00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:31,890 and I've been that way for years and I 1353 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:33,569 seem to have all this energy so I might 1354 00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:34,530 as well use it while I have it 1355 00:56:38,660 --> 00:56:36,660 absolutely that is a good point man 1356 00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:38,670 let's use it while we have it cuz it may 1357 00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:42,329 not last forever you know well Chris 1358 00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:44,960 where can we find all of your work 1359 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:47,910 Montauk Chronicles everything you're up 1360 00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:49,890 to what's like is there one hub for 1361 00:56:55,069 --> 00:56:52,500 everything I would say go to Montauk 1362 00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:55,079 Chronicles comm I have a graphic novel 1363 00:56:58,940 --> 00:56:57,540 coming out later this year that was 1364 00:57:02,480 --> 00:56:58,950 originally published in Fangoria 1365 00:57:04,819 --> 00:57:02,490 magazine as a strip for a year and we're 1366 00:57:07,579 --> 00:57:04,829 releasing the book finally it's called 1367 00:57:09,410 --> 00:57:07,589 South Texas blues right now I just have 1368 00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,420 a South Texas blues face book up where 1369 00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:11,040 you could see panels from that were 1370 00:57:14,510 --> 00:57:12,900 originally published Fangoria but we're 1371 00:57:16,010 --> 00:57:14,520 gonna be releasing the book later so 1372 00:57:17,180 --> 00:57:16,020 I'll start advertising and everything 1373 00:57:18,830 --> 00:57:17,190 but I'm really excited about that and 1374 00:57:22,010 --> 00:57:18,840 that was always intended 1375 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:22,020 to be a movie so at some point I think 1376 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:24,930 after we release the book we will make 1377 00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,450 the film yeah the next logical step I 1378 00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,520 love it that's look her strange world 1379 00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:31,920 premieres on Sunday August 11th at 10:00 1380 00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,500 p.m. on the Travel Channel and I just 1381 00:57:40,070 --> 00:57:36,480 want to say this man there's been a huge 1382 00:57:42,590 --> 00:57:40,080 uptick in paranormal UFO TV shows as of 1383 00:57:43,970 --> 00:57:42,600 late and some of them will survive many 1384 00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:43,980 of them will probably fall into 1385 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:46,110 obscurity but you know having only 1386 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:47,850 watched the first episode of strange 1387 00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:50,130 world it's clear how much blood sweat 1388 00:57:54,650 --> 00:57:52,260 tears that you put into this passion 1389 00:57:57,890 --> 00:57:54,660 project I know this will not only 1390 00:58:00,680 --> 00:57:57,900 survive but it'll probably thrive longer 1391 00:58:02,420 --> 00:58:00,690 than most of these shows so I can't wait 1392 00:58:05,330 --> 00:58:02,430 to see where you're headed next man and 1393 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:05,340 I thank you I can't thank you enough for 1394 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:07,650 coming on somewhere in the skies thank 1395 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:09,450 you so much Ryan much appreciate it and 1396 00:58:13,610 --> 00:58:11,250 I hope you're right I hope the audience 1397 00:58:17,620 --> 00:58:13,620 likes it as much as you did so I have no 1398 00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:17,630 doubt that's it for this week's episode 1399 00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:20,280 thanks again to Chris Garrett I know for 1400 00:58:27,110 --> 00:58:22,710 coming on be sure to check out his work 1401 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:27,120 at mtk Chronicles calm and follow 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